Lane Shackleton

“So glad to be here. Thanks for having me.”

“It's a wonderful ad. I think I had a mug of that when I was a kid. Yeah.”

“That's right. They're described similarly at a high level, but then the specifics if you get into it are a little bit different.”

“We were probably at 20-ish PMs and designers when we did that.”

“Yeah. He's got a great thing on listening. I really admire what he says about listening and I think that a lot of PMs could take that lesson, which is-”

“Yeah. We have a walkthrough ritual that we do.”

“The prompt is essentially put yourself in the shoes of someone who knows nothing about this topic whatsoever and have beginner's mind and then walk through with five or 10 people watching you and let'...”

“I mean definitely sports. I would say sports is really interesting to me. Team sports. I've always been a huge fan of everything team sports. Storytelling. Go look at some of the best storytellers in ...”

“And the world is much better for it. This podcast is an amazing resource.”

“Yeah. Honestly it's a sign of ... In Dharmesh's case, I don't know him super well, but it's a sign of a really experienced leader to know that scale. But every time I look at the scale and I'm weighin...”

“And making the person think through that choice I think is just a very helpful shared language.”

“Yes. It's almost never as bad as you think it's going to be. So yeah, it's just a question of how much better it can be oftentimes.”